Comments on: 85: TZ Discussion – High on Helium-3 https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3 If you're a hacker, you'll probably like our show ;) Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:01:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Corey https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2098 Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:01:04 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2098 Thanks for the shouts. I have been listening from pretty early on – at least since 25. I just never comment. It’s the disconnect I find with most podcasts – I’m listening in iTunes or on my iPhone, so it honestly never occurred to me to comments. You bullied me into it. πŸ™‚

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2089 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:01:56 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2089 @Ben – Yeah, that’s kind of depressing. πŸ˜‰ I guess it’s just a shortcoming of the name that I’m going to have to live with.

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By: Ben https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2088 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 16:56:16 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2088 It’s funny, I went looking for Jason’s project, Epic Night.

Tried searching, tried domains, finally followed the links in the About Jason section only to find it was “AppIgnite.” D’oh.

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2083 Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:12:37 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2083 @Michael Richards

I like the way your mind works. That’s an awesome idea and I agree that’s exactly what we should do. Go big or go home!

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By: Michael Richards https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2082 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:56:13 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2082 Sign me up for the H3 freedom train. After the website for H3 is created then raise some money for a full page ad to run in the Wall Street Journal. That will certainly get some attention.!

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2072 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:10:54 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2072 @Sam Howley

I think you might be right. Justin and I are on the case! πŸ˜‰

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2071 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:09:48 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2071 @Ben Boyer

Yep, Guyon just brought that article to my attention. Very interesting.

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2070 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:01:44 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2070 @Yeti

Yeah, it could be argued that we shouldn’t have spent three to four hours writing the hashing code and just used some existing library, but it wasn’t that much time and it was fun to learn about. Plus, it’s something we can easily improve if we need to based on growing computer power. That said you make a good point. You should be wary of getting sidetracked by shiny new problems and technologies.

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2069 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:55:24 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2069 @William

Yeah, I think we’re going to need to look at the hashing some more based on the latest GPU cracking techniques. I know Guyon is doing some more research on the subject, not only for our hashing code, but also for his tutorial series on randomness and security.

That’s really interesting that homeland security has been buying up a lot of the world’s available supplies. I think I’m going to have to ask the Goog about it. πŸ˜‰

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2068 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:47:06 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2068 @Neville,

I love the idea of barbecuing a-pig-a[t]-nite for the AppIgnite launch party! Very clever.

You’re right, Justin was being a noisy negativist. What a buzzkill. πŸ˜‰

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By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2067 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:44:31 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2067 @Dan DeFelippi

That’s interesting about the Skype / mic problem. I just hope that it’s eventually fixed because it’s extremely annoying to have to deal with.

What we did for the password hashing only took us a few hours of work, so while you may be right that we over thought it, in the end it didn’t require a big investment of time. Plus, it was fun to learn about it all. πŸ˜‰

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By: Ben Boyter https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2066 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:35:52 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2066 I’m with Dan. Jason you are overthinking the whole hashing thing. Sure its good to have strong passwords with strong hashes but all you need do is salt them. If someone has access to your database so they can start cracking hashes you have bigger issues to deal with.

What it id make me think about is this article http://stacksmashing.net/2010/11/15/cracking-in-the-cloud-amazons-new-ec2-gpu-instances/ which just goes to show short passwords without a salt are trivially crackable even with SHA1 hashes.

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By: William https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2062 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 02:12:34 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2062 @Yeti,

Speaking of rolling your own code–I’m not a javascript programmer–is there a good unit test framework for javascript? I’ve looked at stackoverflow, but the answers seem rather dated….

William

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By: Sam Howley https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2059 Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:54:56 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2059 On This Week In Venture Capital there was talk of mining the moon for resources for fusion reactors possibly being a justification behind the 50 million dollar venture funding of Elon Musk’s SpaceX.

The Zeitgeist may be just right for an http://www.investigateHelium3.com petition site. I am sure it would take the interest of the tech community.

If you emailed celebrities with a couple of paragraph explanation and asked them to sign up you might get some press.

Sam

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By: Yeti https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2058 Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:52:14 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2058 @Jason – Was the time spent writing your own hashing library really worth the time and effort? Would that time and effort not have been better spent on the main application itself rather than re-inventing the wheel?

I’m not having a moan cause I know how sometimes its more exciting to work on something interesting rather than tracking down an obscure bug or work on some otherwise mundane but important code.

Possibly a future discussion on how to overcome feature-creep and generally keeping yourself on track with your projects rather than getting side tracked by ‘interesting’ diversions?

Also, another thing I don’t think I’ve heard you guys discuss is your approach to software testing. For my current project, testing has become crucial as the code has increased in complexity. Alongside my custom test harness I’ve also been using a off-the-shelf code coverage tool to develop test cases and reduce redundant code.

Anyway, great show guys, thanks!

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By: Jim Robert https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2057 Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:44:49 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2057 About the stackoverflow podcast: I was a big fan of it and I think there is quite a bit of crossover in audience.

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By: William https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2056 Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:33:58 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2056 Jason,
Are you testing your hashing library? The GPU threat is interesting. This is part of why password lengths are increasing at a number of companies.

For 3He, it’s also used for detecting neutrons and as a result, homeland security has been buying up a lot of the world’s available supplies…..

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By: Philippe Monnet https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2054 Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:56:31 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2054 Had a good fun listening to the show – I probably blushed a couple times too!
I think that more listeners should comment and promote the show since you guys are “our Think Tank”. You give us great content so we need to return the favor. I just wrote an iTunes review – who wants to be next? C’mon guys and gals, it’s what it will take to get Justin to do X!

Justin, I am looking forward to hear more details about the brainstorming app – sounds interesting and maybe cooler than using MindMapping and/or BATF. πŸ™‚

I enjoyed the debate on time investment related to blogging. I’m kind of with Jason on that one. You made an interesting point towards the end of the show about splitting tutorial blog posts into different parts released at different times. Maybe I should adopt that approach. The tutorials I have written have always taken a ton of time I guess I could have “released early, released often” by splitting them into parts.

I had forgotten about the open letter related to He3. It would be great to bring other scientists into the story. Do other listeners know of people who could help educate us more on the topic?

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By: Justin https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2052 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:24:46 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2052 @Neville – LOL! πŸ˜‰

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By: Neville https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2051 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:19:19 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2051 @Jason – Appignite launch party should include barbecuing a-pig-a[t]-nite. Let’s get this thing going! Less talk, more release! I’m ready to start building something.

Just finished my donation to TZ, but I want an EP credit on the “Race to He3” site instead.

@Justin – what’s with all the pessimism? “Appignite will fail…He3 will cause the end of humanity and we’ll be responsible…Guyon and Jason will become a target for hackers” …lighten up dude, you got the winter blues or something?

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By: Dan DeFelippi https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2050 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:34:00 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2050 Justin, ThinkTank is already used for other products. Gina Trapani was using it for a Twitter app she started but ended up renaming it to ThinkUp after finding the name was being used. From the way you talked on the show I assume that’s a working name so it shouldn’t be a problem if you change it.

You have to write the blog post about Uri Geller. Anything about that crank is usually good, especially if it’s about his failures.

You misspoke about evolution. While genetic drift / randomness does play a part, much of it comes from reproduction and survival. Passing your genes down to the next generation is not random.

The problems Jason has with his mic on regular intervals is a known issue, most likely with the chipset or drivers. It happens on the TWiT network a lot. Unplugging it and plugging back in should fix it.

I’ve been wondering why you don’t get a couple of Yeti mics or something of similar quality and pricing? For the ~$400 you could get two and have some money left over.

Jason, it sounds like you’re over thinking hashing. If someone gets access to the database you have much bigger problems than the difference between strong hash lengths (eg sha256 vs sha512).

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By: Ben Boyter https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2045 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 05:33:39 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2045 @Justin, Looking forward to it! Should make my weekend chores more interesting and fun!

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By: Chris Boesing https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2043 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:24:42 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2043 @Justin
sorry for all caps, but I WANT TO READ THE URI GELLER STORY!

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By: Justin https://techzinglive.com/page/509/85-tz-discussion-high-on-helium-3/comment-page-1#comment-2041 Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:24:38 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=509#comment-2041 @Ben Boyter (Grand Patron) – Hopefully this is more of the rambling discussion you we’re looking for last show πŸ˜‰

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