Comments on: 79: TZ Interview – Patrick McKenzie / The Long Tail of Optimization https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this If you're a hacker, you'll probably like our show ;) Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:27:40 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Philippe Monnet https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1940 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:27:40 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1940 Another great show delivering a ton of value for all of us.
Patrick was a great guest, he speaks very clearly and with much thought. I very much enjoyed his scientific approach to everything: conceive an experiment, measure, analyze, repeat etc.
Although I had A/B testing on my to-do list of things to learn and practice, Patrick was the catalyst for me to dig into this. Since the show I have looked at his ABingo Rails plugin and it looks fantastic! One of the A/B experts Patrick is referencing is Ben Tilly. His presentation on A/B testing is very good. It would be great to have him on the show! This is a topic that seems straightforward at first blush but is actually more complicated to get right that one thinks.

Another thing I noticed is that Patrick totally revealed part of the “magic function”. :
magicFn(idea) = ( implement(idea) + abtest(idea) + refine(idea) ) * (stay(motivated) * min(4,years) )

Jason, your math background could probably refine that function to something more accurate! 🙂

I have started to go through Patrick’s many blog posts: so much good content there! So again thanks for bringing him on the show.

]]> By: Helmut Granda https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1911 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 03:57:44 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1911 On a side note about the video cast…

@Jason, what do you think about Patrick using WP for Appointment Reminder? Do you think it was a smart move or do you think it would have been better if he would had created the site on his own say with RoR since he has so much experience with it.

Also, in my personal opinion I dislike the automated appointment reminders, my dentist uses it and I get reminders even after the appointment has been fulfilled. Most likely a bug in the software but I guess in a way it is like the bankers from a small local branch who know you by name and those who are from a big corporation who, well you are just a number.

Great idea for saving money to the small service companies.

]]> By: Helmut Granda https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1910 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 03:21:41 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1910 About the panel discussion show, how about a video cast?

]]> By: Michael Rakita https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1909 Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:29:57 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1909 Very good show, thank you J&J and Patrick! I noticed Justin is asking more questions now, that’s great, don’t give all bandwidth to Jason 😉

I really like the idea of a panel discussion show. If you guys could get Patrick, Peldi and Jason Cohen on the same show it would be just awesome! And maybe someone who will disagree with them a lot, unless Jason wants to be that guy 😉

]]> By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1904 Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:05:26 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1904 @ Ayoub, Robin & Neville – Thanks so much for the positive feedback! Justin and I both really appreciate it. 😉

Patrick was indeed a very interesting guest. I guess it’s like Daniel Adams said – “Ninety percent of directing is casting”.

The trick I think is just to invite on people who we’d really like to talk to and the rest just sort of works out. 😉

]]> By: Neville https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1903 Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:38:55 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1903 Gentlemen, you have out done yourselves! This has been my favorite episode to date. Great stuff. Thank you Patrick.

]]> By: Robin Gorry https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1895 Mon, 25 Oct 2010 01:50:35 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1895 Another great show, Your interview style really gets the best out of your guest, your shorter leads in to questions make the conversation flow much better and your guest have the most air time.

Very enjoyable and informative.

]]> By: Ayoub M. https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1885 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 19:33:07 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1885 Thanks guys, this one of the best podcasts I ever heard. honestly you are the best.

]]> By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1874 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:31:14 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1874 @ Jacob – Actually, I sent him an email a few days ago inviting him on the show, but he hasn’t yet replied. If you have any pull with him, or know anyone who does, then see what you can do to convince him to come on. I think it would make for a great interview.

]]> By: Jacob Chapel https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1873 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:24:28 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1873 You guys should look into getting Ryan Dahl, creator of Node.js, on the show. I have been hacking away with Node.js and love it. If you guys gave some air time to new and offbeat tech things, I think you might expand your listenership even more. Keep up the great work, love the podcast.

]]> By: William https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1862 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 13:55:10 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1862 I loved the quote about 27 minutes in,
”
Justin: I get the feeling that I’m talking to some James Bond level evil genius..
Reply: I’m not evil….
”

Great interview guys!

]]> By: Justin https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1861 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:37:35 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1861 Although I’ll tell you one funny conversation we had the other day…

Justin: “We should try to disagree more, I think it could make the show better”
Jason: “No. That would be lame”

]]> By: Justin https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1859 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:35:13 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1859 In reply to Ben Boyter.

@Ben Boyter – It’s funny we’ve been discussing that. We’ve found if we “try” to disagree it doesn’t quite work. The best thing we’ve found so far is to keep switching it up and talk about stuff we find interesting and the rest of it seems to happen naturally! 🙂

]]> By: Ben Boyter https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1858 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:31:44 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1858 @Jason LOL

Im with BAMS, you guys need to argue over stuff like source control and the like some more.

Here are some topics to add to lisp,

JVM vs .NET
GIT vs Subversion
Apple vs Microsoft OS
Android vs iPhone
Soccer vs Football

One of those should start something.

]]> By: Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1852 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 04:23:47 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1852 Also Justin, if I hear you say one more time that you can’t be more successful with Pluggio, I’m going to come over there and shave your face.

]]> By: Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1851 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 04:21:47 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1851 @Jason lol, I think UFOs are cool but how about a real alien technology like Lisp? I’d love to hear what some people are doing with Lisp. Especially in the web world.

I guess I was encouraged to comment today because while I was out walking today, I thought about why I enjoyed your show. In case you were wondering:

* Technical penis size fights (HTML blog, source control, etc)
* Interviews are really good and getting better all the time
* Technical stuff

Keep up the good work. This interview is great so far. I like that Patrick felt free to disagree. A lot 🙂

]]> By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1847 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 04:00:20 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1847 @ Ben – I wouldn’t talk over Justin if he’d just shut up and let me talk already. I mean, what’s a brother got to do to get a little airtime?! 😉

]]> By: Jason https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1846 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 03:58:12 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1846 @BAMS – Where you been?! I missed your comments! Yeah, Justin tried to goad me into it, but I didn’t bite this time. I think I’m just getting tired of that one. 😉

On another note, I’m thinking it might be time to invite on another UFO expert. What do you think? 😉

]]> By: Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1845 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 03:52:56 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1845 Just started to listen and imagined this exchange:

Patrick: I didn’t even use source control until a year into the project
Justin: You’re a man after Jason’s own heart with that statement!
Jason: Ok so you built this very first version….

This is honestly why I love this show. You guys need to totally fight about technical stuff more.

]]> By: Ben Boyter https://techzinglive.com/page/479/79-tz-interview-%e2%80%93-patrick-mckenzie-optimize-this/comment-page-1#comment-1842 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:00:10 +0000 http://techzinglive.com/?p=479#comment-1842 Nice interview guys. You still have a habit of talking over people, probably because you are used to a discussion show but thats about the only critisim I can come up with these days.

Patrick sounds like a very calculating individual. I would not want to be going up against someone with that level of depth (plans within plans) in cards or any other endevour. This shouldn’t come across as a bad thing by the way, just someone who really thinks things through very carefully, and researches before jumping in. Certainly someone to respect.

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