148: TZ Discussion – Turning the Corner

Justin and Jason discuss the status and recent progress made onย Pluggio, Appignite and AnyFu, lessons learned about when to initiate the design process,ย The Birdy’s custom feature voting system, Dan DeFelippi’s BidOnMyDay project, using NLP to cure “the madness”, when it makes more sense to incorporate as an LLC vs an S-Corp or C-Corp, a documentary on the evil business practices of Monsanto, an update on the sit vs stand debate,ย the weirdness of Benfordโ€™s Law, creating rich interactive web apps with KnockoutJS, the launch of Trello and whatever happened to Skyboard, finite state machines and the State design pattern

  1. Oh no! I think I’ve listened to hundreds of your shows now and I’ve always understood EpicNight instead of AppIgnite! What a nerdy name, I thought. Like programming the whole night? 8^D

  2. Jason says:

    @Igor Prochazka – On the brite side, at least you didn’t think it was called “A Pig at Night”. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  3. Alex Gemmell says:

    I thought your discussion about hourly rates for AnyFu was interesting. You should definitely only charge one rate. Justin, and when you talk about charging different rates for different work I think you do yourself an injustice. If you are wondering whether to charge $100 per hour for Javascript work or $200 per hour for Prototyping work, then I say charge $200 – because you are not selling a skill you have, you are selling your TIME. Anyone paying for your time will not just be getting one skill they will be getting all your skills and experience. Even if you just do Javascript work, all your other skills will feed into that to add way more value. As a simple example think how much your prototyping work is influenced by all your accumulated knowledge of development (HTML, JS, JQuery, CSS, PHP, MYSQL, Linux, Apache) and design too!

    Don’t undervalue your time.

  4. Matt S says:

    So any big plans for episode 150?

  5. Jason says:

    @Matt S – No plans yet, but I guess we should think of something.

  6. Corey says:

    Thanks for your thoughts about my suggestion board. Jason – I responded shortly after you asked your question. Copied here from startup guild:

    September 13 at 12:33pm
    Jason C. Roberts: By the way, did you code up the roadmap (feature voting) yourself? If so, why did you decide not to use something like GetSatisfaction or UserVoice?

    September 13 at 12:59pm
    Corey Maass: Coded it myself. Only took a few hours. Two fold – I hate those services. At the level we can afford them, they’re poorly integrated and I think a terrible experience. Another signup, too many choices, etc. Second, we’re going to use leaderboards for a few other things that aren’t feedback related (#lol leaderboard!) so it made sense to make something I can reuse.

  7. Jason says:

    @Corey – Yep, that sounds like a very good reason. Good luck with the project! It looks like you’re off to a great start.

  8. Corey says:

    @jason – yes! feeling great about most everything that’s happened so far. Working on the next feature set which I plan to charge for. Again, thanks for the discussion. I was really curious to get your feedback.

  9. Ah, Jason, you make me laugh. When you spoke about how you get so excited, your chest tightens, it sounds like me ๐Ÿ™‚

    I remember deciding to get seriously long distance running. I bought a new pair of running shoes and stopped by the newsstand to buy a copy of Runner’s World. I was totally amped to start running the next day. I couldn’t wait.

    That night I was so anxious to go on my first long distance run, I tossed and turned all night. Couldn’t sleep a wink. When daybreak arrived I was so exhausted from not sleeping I couldn’t run that day ๐Ÿ™‚

    I remember laughing at myself about it though.

    Oh, and I never really got into running. My body doesn’t seem built for it.

  10. EDIT: “serious about long distance running”… got too excited there ๐Ÿ˜‰

  11. Great show guys. Actually, I really enjoy the deep development and coding discussions.

    Hearing updates on the trials and tribulations of your startups is a goldmine of additional information on how strategies are working for other people, and how they might work (or not work) for me.

    I already spend way too much time reading HackerNews. I don’t get a lot of benefit running down the news feed topic to topic every few minutes. Your insight on the topics is usually pretty solid, but I think it’s better when you go more in-depth on a couple of topics, and then go wildly off topic on others. I’ve found the off topic stuff usually has some of the best material, because you are passionate enough about the subject to derail the conversation.

  12. Jason says:

    @Andrew Cassell – Thanks so much for the positive feedback. I’m really glad you liked the show. ๐Ÿ˜‰