Techzing 35 – Off the Rails

Justin and Jason discuss the launching (or lack thereof) of Jason’s secret project, the science behind the midday nap, Jason’s improved Internet connectivity, the TweetMiner fiasco, Justin’s contracting of a PR person, the unfortunate importance of marketing, how Justin donated $222.22 to the No Agenda podcast, the TV show Lost, Titanium and developing iPhone and Android apps using Javascript, Amy Hoy’s Pimpin’ Software Projects Ain’t Easy, the new show segments – La Critique and Get to Know a Listener, the possibility of doing x-factor episodes, Justin’s interest in 9-11 conspiracies, the weirdness of advanced physics, time travel and yes, even UFOs.

  1. Ozzy (Bez) says:


  2. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:

    Jason, I’m exactly where you are. I have two kids and multiple client projects. While I don’t coach sports teams, I am involved two nights a week in other volunteer activities and my daughter and I go to a geek event every Wednesday. So I’m also very busy. I think I’ll have to quit work completely and go 100% full-time soon. Just for your reference, I soft-launched last year and I’ve made $30K in 12 months time. Last month was > $3K and I spent 3 hours total on the project. I am pretty confident that if I work full-time, I can quadruple the revenue. What’s stopping me? I make too much fucking money consulting.

  3. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:



  4. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:


  5. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:

    Good on you for questioning 9/11. More than 6000 American families have been affected by this but the truth will be out in 50 years.

  6. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:


  7. Neville says:

    Remember the time machine in “Napoleon Dynamite?” I think ya’ll should get one and demonstrate it on the next podcast.

  8. Jason says:

    @Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh That’s awesome. It sounds like we should have you on for our segment – Get to Know a Listener.

  9. Jason says:

    @Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh I love the idea of naming the show – Startups and Aliens! It’s completely ridiculous, but hilarious.

  10. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:

    @Jason I’m afraid I’d be a very, very poor guest πŸ™‚ “Startups and Aliens”. It’s perfect!

  11. Jason says:

    @Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh If you’re uncomfortable with being a guest, but don’t mind telling us a little more of your story we could just talk about it on the show. If not I understand, but I think your experience could probably serve as a good example of how to bootstrap a startup. Either way, the invitation is an open one if you ever decide to reconsider.

  12. JeremyOzbboy says:

    Thanks for the show, it helps to break up the monotony of my week.

    In my opinion some of your best shows to date have been interview based shows, in saying that I’m really looking forward to the possibility of a Richard Dolan interview. So don’t be scared to make that happen.



  13. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:

    @Jason We can do it if you think it would be interesting to your audience. I’ll email you.

  14. Jason says:

    @JeremyOzbboy Cool. I’m glad I’m not the only one that would find a Richard Dolan interview interesting. Now there’s at least two of us. πŸ˜‰

    Also, I’m glad to hear that the monotony of our podcast helps to break up the monotony of your week. πŸ˜‰

  15. Charlie Irish says:

    Interesting set of topics this week. Has anyone got any experience with some of the other Javascript style iPhone app creators like rhomobile and jQueryTouch?
    Neither create native code but they work in a similar manner.

  16. Constant says:

    Great episode. Entertaining AND informative (unlike Leo who is neither). Willing to donate. You two are a good mix. Like John and Adam and better than Joel and Jeff.

  17. Jason says:

    @Constant Thanks! That’s a great compliment. Justin’s favorite podcast is No Agenda and mine is Stack Overflow, so to be compared favorably with those two duos feels great. πŸ˜‰

  18. Jason says:

    @Charlie Irish Interesting. I had never heard of rhomobile or jQueryTouch before. I think we’re going to interview the CEO and founder of Appcelerator today, so I’ll do a little research on them and ask him about how Appcelerator compares.

  19. Justin says:

    @Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh Of course I said your name. You ROCK, dude!

  20. Justin says:

    Jason, did you notice that @Constant said he/she is “willing to donate”!

  21. Jason says:

    @Justin Wow! I like the sound of that. πŸ˜‰

  22. Justin says:

    @Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh “Startups and Aliens” is really growing on me….

  23. chris says:

    @Jason, when you installed Titanium, did you install it on a windows machine or a mac, as im a little confused how to link the iphone sdk to their product. Im sure im just missing something.

    As for the last 25mins of the show, I feel I might have gone down a worm hole or have just experienced an outer body experience potentially in one of the many parallel universe. Random…

  24. Fun show as usual!

    Great job on the pronunciation of “La Critique”! “La Critique” would be used to describe the new critique segment as opposed to “Le Critique”.”Le” would describe the person providing the critique.

    I also am a long-time fan of ABC’s “Lost” and I always read the Washington Post’s analysis the day after the show. Se:

    Titatium seems pretty interesting so I am just about to head over to iTunes to get the new episode. Jason, have you also looked into MonoTouch ( since you’re also a .NET C# developer?

    I also loved Amy Hoy’s presentation. I laughed so hard and got to learn one new “urban acronym”: OMFGZ!!! Slides 48-54 are a must-read for other Javascript listeners/readers (just don’t drink coffee while reading these slides or you will for sure spill it all over).

  25. “Quantum Foam… Makes Me Roam…” is actually a quote from a book called TIMELINE by Michael Crichton.

    Your is the BEST podcast, and as a long time commuter, I’ve a long experience…
    Stack Overflow? simply too boring!

    Some things in random order:
    . Bringing someone on the show to talk of marketing is a good idea.
    . The name is not so important to me
    . The song by Justin is really great!
    . I can’t believe someone can’t like good food and wine! Jason, really, you need to come to Italy and make some research on the argument.

    I don’t build web startups but embedded firmware/mobile sw, but you got me since the episode with Joel Reymont, thanks for all the tech and not-so-tech story.

  26. Justin says:

    @Philippe Monnet “La Critique” it is then! We’ll be sure to use that pronunciation. Now we just need to find some other apps to critique…

  27. Justin says:

    @Pietro F. Maggi Hey thx for the kudos. What do you think of the name “Startups And Aliens” ?!!

  28. Jason says:

    @Pietro F. Maggi Wow, thanks for the great compliment! It really does feel great to hear stuff like that. πŸ˜‰

    While I don’t drink wine, I do like good food. I’m just not all that interested in spending a lot time sitting around talking about it, which Justin seems to want to do. πŸ˜‰

  29. Jason says:

    @Justin I asked the wife what she thought of renaming the show Startups vs Aliens and she said that if we named the show that, she would change the locks. I think it’s just one step too far down nerd road. There’s only so much she can take. πŸ˜‰

  30. Jason says:

    @Philippe Monnet I listened to a Hansel Minutes podcast interview on MonoTouch and it sounded interesting, but I didn’t have a chance to look into before I ended up trying out and being blown away by Titanium. Two other things I just noticed about it are that the cheapest version is $399, while the community version of Titanium if free, and unlike Titanium it doesn’t build for Android.

    Amy Hoy is going to be on the show in a couple weeks and we’re really looking forward to it. She seems like she has some interesting things to say and a good sense of humor to boot, so it should make for a great interview.

  31. Justin says:

    @Jason Hmm. My wife kinda likes it…

  32. @Justin English is not my first language, so “techzing” is just a catchy word for me without any meaning (well now it means, you two guys talking…).
    Startup and Aliens is a bit more on the spot but… I don’t think it’s a good name. If I’ve to choose I’ll go with “Generation Zero”. It’s even something you can link to the bootstrap of a startup!

    @Jason I’ve seen a lot of business done at a table with a good bottle of wine… so it can be linked to the show πŸ˜‰ I’m with Justin with this.

  33. Vitolds says:

    I’m a fan of Techzing and have been listening to every episode since mid 2009. On the “off the rails” part – not a huge fan. You pretty much lost me with conspiracy theories and aliens, however I guess it’s fine to get off the rails once in a while, just keep the startup part relevant. Actually there is one “off the rails” topic I would be interested to hear you discuss, namely politics – from what I heard before, my guess is: Justin = bleeding heart liberal who favors more government intervention while Jason = more pragmatic libertarian type who wants government to be less involved.

    BTW, do you know country by country distribution of your listeners? Just curious what countries are represented.

    Regarding names: Startups & Aliens > Generation Zero.

  34. Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh says:

    Justin :
    @Bopinder Abu Morpalinder Singh β€œStartups and Aliens” is really growing on me….

    I liked Jeff’s take on the “Startups and Aliens” name in your other podcast. You could use this logo

  35. Jason says:

    @Vitolds I’m not surprised that some people wouldn’t be super excited about the off-topic stuff, since after all the reason people began listening to this show in the first place is because of the topic itself. I agree that we should keep the focus on tech and startups.

    I’m not completely sure what Justin’s politics are and since he’s British I don’t even know what that would mean. Is he a Whig or a Tory? Who knows – but I’ll ask him on the next show so we can talk about it a little. πŸ˜‰

    I have no idea what the country distribution is of our listeners, or if it’s even tracked by LibSyn (our video host), but if we can get the numbers somehow I’ll bring it up on the next show.

  36. Will says:

    Justin, Bill and Ted would like their time machine back…