209: TZ Discussion – The Overloaded Life

Justin and Jason discuss Jason’s new iPad and his old MacBook Pro, the costs and limitations of Titanium’s licensing plans and the surrounding controversy, a post-mortem of the third Catalyst session, KidsRuby, and the idea of creating a DragonBox inspired Catalyst coding game, css3 animations, the status of Appignite, Justin’s $$ Javascript framework“The Madness“, the progress being made on SkyBoard and some potential revenue models, the movie Looper, how California has passed a law allowing for the testing of self-driving cars on public roads, how Blizzard was head-faked into creating a better StartCraft, the recent growth of the podcast, how everyone who attended OWS with a cell phone had their identity logged and the Apple patent that describes remotely disabling protesters’ phone cameras, the Uber Javascript profiler to be named Clouseau, the superiority of the Singapore Math curriculum and the ThinkMath Foundation, the power of keeping a Spark File and of storing your notes in a BATF (big ass text file), Jason’s overloaded schedule, Colby’s football future, the awesome new hover bike that you’ll never get to ride, and why Justin never wears shorts.

  1. Helmut Granda says:

    Error: you don’t have permission to access this resource.

    Anyone else getting the same issue?

  2. Justin says:

    Nope it’s working for me and also 80+ people have accessed it…

  3. Jon says:

    Your game sounds a bit like the card game Why the Lucky Stiff used to teach kids programming:


    The whole video is about teaching kids how to program and is worth watching.

    (Why created Hackety Hack which I believe is a precursor to Kids Ruby that you were also talking about on the show)

  4. Andrew says:

    Whats the link to the sample CSS3 transitions page?

  5. Matt S says:

    I’ve heard from two different developers that they just mention the Apache license for Titanium (https://github.com/appcelerator/titanium_mobile) whenever the sales people are pushing them to pay. They were both of the opinion that the sales dept is trying to “scare” people into buying a license.

  6. Justin says:

    @Andrew, oh good catch! http://daneden.me/animate/

  7. Ignacio says:

    Man, I was sure Jason was gonna rave about “Looper” , guess I was wrong.
    Myabe Justin will like it more, it’s very artistic I think.

  8. Jason says:

    @Ignacio – I did like it, I just didn’t love it. 😉 For me it was a solid B, but then so was Avatar and Prometheus even though the latter had some major story problems.

  9. @ Justin – Love your enthusiasm about the ipad. Last thing you hold before you fall asleep and the first thing you touch when you wake up. What does Georgie think about this? ;p

    Don’t worry, women are just as bad!

  10. Aleksander says:

    I found it interesting that you guys would question “Looper” (or any movie, for that matter) on scientific basis. I’ve resigned myself to the fact, that ALL movies and TV series are just b.s. in terms of science or strict logic. And that’s usually because making it understandable and relatable (if that’s a word) is much more important.

    Take Battlestar Galactica or Star Wars. Why on earth would “future” space fighters be manned? Why would they fight with some silly guns at close range, as if it were WW II allover again? And yet it has to be that way, because if you did warfare more realistically – with swarms of storng-AI-controlled drones and commanders as post-singularity beings with their consciousnesses run at 1000x speed of our thought and relativistic weapons that tear apart entire star systems with a single “shot” and logic bombs dropped thru comms channels… Well, the average viewer would go: Wait, what? WTF just happened? Who won?

    I would much prefer that kind of show. But then people who make those movies & TV series have to make money and that means catering to the biggest possible sci-fi audience. A lowest common denominator of geeks, if you will. 😉

    But if you know someone in Hollywood who would like to make some niche, ambitious sci-fi, with a strong interactive component for the audience, let me know, I might have some ideas… 😉

  11. on the topic of Python Editors for iPad, check out:

    Pythonista for iPad:


    Also Python for iOS:


  12. oh, I forgot about Codea. It’s not python (it’s lua) but it’s very polished, supports gestures, multitouch, and graphics and has lots of example code built in:


  13. Jason says:

    @Aleksander – That’s a good point about selective complaining. Maybe I’ve somehow internalized the Star Wars / Star Trek space tech as acceptable even if it’s entirely unrealistic if you stop to think about it for more than thirty seconds. But since time travel always gets me thinking about the various “what ifs”, I end up holding it to a higher standard of realism, which is entirely unfair.

    This would might make for a good follow-up discussion on the next show. Thanks for bringing it up.

  14. Jason says:

    @James Robert – I like Python a lot, so thanks for all the links. Apparently, Justin has decided that he hates Python even though he’s only seen like 4 lines of it. I thought he was Mr. “I’m open to try new things”? Yeah, right! 😉

    Codea does seem kind of cool, but I’m not sure I really want to code on my iPad. After all, I can barely get myself to code on my laptop! 🙂

  15. Hey,
    Let’s say it together: Mo-sa-yev 🙂

    Regarding the profiler –
    Thank you for the tips, I’ll hack something quick myself based and what you suggested, thank you!

  16. Abe says:

    Jason, you’re also a .Net guy, right? Why not try Monotouch? I should be jumping into it in the next month and would love to hear a non-salesperson experience with it.

  17. Jason says:

    @Udi Mosayev – Sorry about that. I suck at pronouncing names.

  18. Jason says:

    @Abe – Yep, I am a .Net guy (among other things I guess), so it might be worth a look. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

  19. Another kids-oriented learning environment based on Ruby is Hackety Hack, which was originally created by “Why the lucky stiff” (the Ruby genius) and is now maintained by Steve Klabnik.

  20. Another great episode. I love that you’re both working together on Catalyst – its such a cool idea. I wish my kids were young again so they could do something like this.

    I just finished listening and wanted to chime in on the Appcelerator discussion.

    This was posted to the Appcelerator Linked-In group and explains the licensing and the seedy calls people have been getting and what they are going to do about it.


    Sounds like the sales group go out of hand. In this article he cites –

    +We cannot pull an App from the App Store and would never do that if we could.
    +We will not serve ads in your apps without your permission.

    We also realize that there is confusion about what is open source versus what is free. Currently, Titanium SDK is open source under the Apache License.

    The following products are not open source, but they are free to use (with some restrictions on usage, for example, certain amount of usage on ACS storage) under the App Explore license: Titanium Studio, as well as the App Explore levels of ACS and Analytics.

    I’ve used Appcelerator for 4 mobile apps and it would kill me if I had to pay $5k for a licence. I’d change to Corona SDK (which I’m playing with for a game right now).

    Good luck with your app.


  21. Jason says:

    @Philippe Monnet – Thanks, yeah, I’ve had a number of people recommend HacketyHack as well. It’s definitely on my list of educational tools to review – along with Scratch, RobotMind, KidsRuby and DrPython.

  22. Jason says:

    @Jonathan Wheat – It is cool that Justin is doing Catalyst with me, which I appreciate, but we’ll see how long he lasts. 😉 You should see the look on Justin’s face at the end of a 2-hour session. It’s hilarious! 😉 I’ll try to remember to take a picture of it so you guys can see for yourselves.

    Thanks for the info about the Titanium license. I think we’ll probably do a follow-up of that topic on today’s show.

  23. Mohammed Firdaus says:

    I’m sure there’s a style of parenting that would still let you be in the running for a parent of the year award but still have time to socialize.

  24. Bill says:

    Justin has mentioned Swarm a couple times in the last few episodes, but I can’t find it in the iTunes store. Is it still available?

    BTW – Your audience is made up of more than just programmers.I’ve been a listener since your first interview with Jason Cohen. I can’t even solve the programming puzzles in CargoBot (which is great for my kids though) I don’t feel like I can contribute much to the discussions, but did want to say that I really enjoy the podcast. It is one of the two or three I really look forward to… so thank you!